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Tuesday, June 12 2012 - 05:51 AM She also posed with an anti-aircraft gun emplacement with articles of NVA regular uniform clothing and gear. “I would think if you undrstood what communisn was,you would hope, you would pray on your knees,that we would someday become communists.” “My position on the POW issue has been widely misquoted and taken out of context. What I orginally said and have continued to say is that the POW’s are lying if they assert it was North Vietnamese policy to torture American prisoners.” “We have no reason to believe that the US Air Force officers tell the truth. They are professional killers.” “I am the Vietcong. We are everywhere! We are all Vietcong.” Jane Fonda like millions of other liberals while making a statement is different, as a star she was quoted and it got publicity for the enemy. And it was during this era many subversive and radial organizations started up. The chicano movement gave us La Raza, MECHA, Brown Berets and hundreds of other pro-immigration groups and take back mexico (america, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona). But I digress once again in my senile years of drug induced brain damage. What I have forgotten many will never know the pleaseure of a fine education.So I have competed against unskilled illegal immigrant workers when I was basically unskilled and after college and trade schools I competed with legal immigrants for the same jobs.
The Female Poster Child for Liberals and Traitors.
Good ole Jane Fonda the female version of Michael Moore only far far worse. This fine piece of work when she visited North Viet Nam was used by the VC as their mouthpiece. During her stay in Noth Viet Nam she visited a POW camp for the high profile flyers who had been shot down and tortured for months on end and in some cases years.
The pows tried to get her attention and were ignored by MS. Fonda despite all their attempts to make contact with her.
These quotes were taken from “Phantom Leader”, a account of the air war in Viet Nam.
Here is what Jane Fonda said,
Jane Fonda speech at Michigan State University to raise money for the Black Panthers.
Detroit Free Press, 22 November 1969
Jane Fonda, Who is Being Brainwashed?"
An Indochina Peace Campaign Report
Sanata Monica: Indochina Peace Campaign 1973
Jane Fonda, Washington Star, April 19,1973
Tom Hayden, Bratislava, Czechoslavakia, 1967
Factor in all the other liberal or radical groups and you can understand how and why america is not the country it once was for our fathers and grandfathers.
So everytime I hear some mindless liberal nutcase flap and beat their gums, I just have to comment.
Everything I have written has been researched and checked,the true facts if that if this trend does not stop and if we don’t start deporting those here illegally the america as we knew will cease to exist.
It is worse than what is reported and that is the scary part, there are few states I have not visited and even fewer states where I don’t have some relatives or friends. They all say the same thing, there is a huge hispanic population along with legal immigrants from other countries.
You all might want to think about this.
avbornbred says...
Julian Assange is another Liberal hero. Private Bradley Manning too is a hero to Libs. Two people who conspired to wreck the USA war effort are liberal heroes.
Obama has made a minimal attempt to bring Assange to justice. I wonder if Assange is on the KILL LIST?
Libs lime Walter Cronkite and Jane Fonda damaged out Vietnam War efforts by influencing public opinion and encouraging our enemy to fight harder. TET is a good example of Cronkite reporting the offensive as a North Vietnam victory even though the Americans won every battle a denied the enemy any of their objectives.
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AV Town Crier says...
AVB
While I agree with most of what you said, except the issue of Cronkite reporting that we lost the Tet offensive. We sort of did. Vietnam was a non-win war from the get-go. It was a political war, just like the wars we’re fighting today. When we pull out of Afghanistan, we will NOT have won, despite all the Presidential (and political in general) hoopla.
As for Ms. Fonda; I will never forgive her for what she did, but as a Vietnam veteran, I was inspired by what she did. She exorcized her right to free speech. While I deplore what she did, she had a Constitutional right to do it and that gave me inspiration that somehow I was defending the US Constitution by going to war.
Though, I would agree, Ms. Fonda’s action bordered on sedition (if not out and out treason), but there is a fine line and she certainly toed it. But that’s what America is about. Nobody is saying you have to agree with what people say (nor do you have to listen.) I have never gone to see a Jane Fonda movie.
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avbornbred says...
About Tet. The North Vietnamese troops did not hold a single objective. In military terms, it was a complete victory for the Americans. With Cronkite making negative news reports, it became a moral victory for the NVA. Many thought we lost the battles from his reporting, which clearly was objective, and less factual.
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Cagy Wolf says...
AVBORNBRED and AVTC the Tet offensive was a total loss for the North Vietnamese and yes god ole Walter Cronkite made it seem the USA had loss the Tet offensive my the north. What Fonda and many others did was treason, sedition and giving aid to the enemy.
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marino says...
Too bad when the little commie bitch was takin’ that pick that there wasn’t a bombing run on the area.
It wouldn’t have changed the war or her views but it would have wiped that smile off her face.
Still to this day denies her involvement. Traitors should be sent to North Vietnam to live there.
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Ray Cunneff says...
So you believe that an American citizen expressing her First Amendment right of free speech should have been killed because you don’t agree with her?
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Ray Cunneff says...
I didn’t agree with her statements either. But I defend her right to make them as should you.
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marino says...
Ray,
No, Ray. But you can twist what I said. I believe based on what Fonda did and said, a bombing run would have been appropriate. I never said you or her don’t have the right to make stupid statements.
And if you listen to many of those soldiers involved in that war, they would and have said the same.
What she did and said put Vietnam vets in jeopardy. Ofcourse she has the right to say what she said, and obviously do what she did sitting on that Vietnamese tank buddying up with the enemy.
“If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that one day we would become communist.” To U. of Mich. students 1970.
So yes, Ray, she has a right to say those things.
Obviously you aren’t suggesting I don’t have the right to say “Too bad there wasn’t a bombing run at the time”.
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marino says...
Just found these Jane Fonda gems:
“It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanised such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless.”
“I, a Socialist, think we should strive toward a Socialist society, all the way to communism.”
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saywhat says...
Cronkite didn’t lose that war for us. Our sons coming home DEAD (a wide variety because of the draft) lost a war that we should of never been in to begin with. With very flawed policy decisions. Jane was nothing more than an idiot movie star who made a nice distraction. Which was used to rally what was already flagging support of a stupid war. We have become a nation of chicken-hawks, and it began with Nam.
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Cagy Wolf says...
saywhat our wars of intervention and involving ourselves with dubious allies started with FDR. I could even go back father but presidents or governments in general get into war for a variety of reasons. I agree and as a veteran I also protested the war since we had no plan to win, the ROE were absurd and you had LBJ picking chooses what targets to hit and not hit when LBJ should have allowed the generals to fight the war to win it.
All wars are stupid but some need to be fought like the war of 1812 just to name one.
The point of the post was to show how then and today liberal movie stars and other idiots are allowed to be complete morons.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Saywhat good ole Walter Cronkite was not and honest journalist, he only showed american dead during the Tet offensive of 1968 and all during the war years downplayed the american battlefield wins. He also showed american dead and not the thousands upon thousands of enemy dead.What everyone seems to forget is that Uncle Ho had a cease fire for the holidays with South Viet Nam and with LBJ trying to show he wanted to sit down with Uncle Ho went apeshit despite all the warnings from G-2, FBI, CIA and other various military intelligence agencies. And also amazing is that two of the biggest wars costing the most in lives, waste and money were started by democratic presidents.
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mvrwc says...
ou men and women should have never been sent to vietnam to die in the first place.
nor should they be in afghanistan today.
how do we, as a people, ask a u.s. service person to be the last u.s. service person to die in afghanistan?
support the troops.
bring them home to their families.
today.
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Ray Cunneff says...
Cronkite showed Americans at their dinner table that the Vietnam war was unwinnable.
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avbornbred says...
MVRWC: There were plenty of justifications for going into Vietnam and Afghanistan.
If you ask anyone of the thousands of Vietnamese citizens living in the USA are very appreciative for our country. Because if they had remained there , they most likely would be dead. After the USA pulled out, thousands and up maybe a million were killed by the invading North Vietnamese forces. Something libs don’t want to acknowledge.
We could debate Vietnam for days about why we were there and why we should have stayed out. The big problem was the politicians who dictated the tactics instead of fighting to win. It has come out that North Vietnam was on the brink of surrendering do to the heavy bombing and that they lost every major engagement. Media types like Cronkite reported with slanting reports in a way supporting the anti-war movement. A severe weakness by our political leaders.
As for Afghanistan, a high majority of Americans from both the Dem and GOP supported the invasion of Afghanistan. Even in 2008, the DNC made it known that Afghanistan was “THE ONE JUST WAR,” and Iraq was wrong. Now Libs are complaining about Afghanistan, go figure.
Comparing President Bush to the Vietnam era presidents, Bush held his ground against a hostile media. It shows Bush’s character.
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Cagy Wolf says...
avbornbred while I may not admire Bush at all, I got to admit he went in and allowed the generals to kick ass. Wishy washy and presidents who mircomanaged the Viet Nam is why it looked bad on TV. Otherwise the North was ready to buckle its why so many stars were brainwashed in doing their propaganda bovine excrement. We could have held hands and walked right up to Uncle Ho’s house and kick the door in. Some of the worse restrictions was no attacking mig bases, no attacking sam sites, no attacking supply ships in North Viet Nam harbors and that is why it looked like we were losing. We didn’t pound the crap out the north like we did japan and germany.
Should we have been there? Yes,but not when your not trying to win as it was in Viet Nam. LBJ held the military’s arms tied, but replace capable military leaders with a bunch of political hack generals and yes men. Nixon no better had any better success than LBJ, but it was the same old crap.
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avbornbred says...
Bush made some mistakes that I thought were based on public opinion. After the invasion of Iraq and the insurgency started, evidence of fighters being equipped and trained in Syria and Iran, Bush should have conducted an air war and pounded both countries. That would have stabilized Iraq and stopped the insertion of fighters. Our air superiority would have wiped out any threats from Iran and Syria. Ignoring the two countries created more attacks in Iraq.
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AV Town Crier says...
I will agree. Keep politician’s out of the war—let the general’s do it. One reason congress has not declared war since WWII is that once they do, they are out of the loop. It’s up to the Commander-in-Chief and the generals to prosecute the war. The politicians have to keep their noses out of it.
That’s why they won’t declare war, they want all the press and to make junkets to the war zone and pose for pictures with real hero’s. What scumbags we have in congress.
I think the 9/11 jets crashed into the wrong building—they should have crashed into congress (perhaps during a state-of-the union speech, when both houses and the executive branch all all together.)
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Martel says...
The President should not be led the decesion to go to war should never be left to the military.The Military is a business the more you use it the more money will be needed to maintain it.Remember J.F.K. had he listened to his top advisors we probably would not be blogging now.They all wanted War with the Soviets.Avtown says it is up to The commander and chief then let the generals prosecute the war.I agree.
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Martel says...
Cagy the truth is we have as a Country been dealing with these same problems legal and illegal Immigration since the turn of the 20th century.
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avbornbred says...
Politics is huge in how people perceive wars and who is the president. When Ronald Reagan won the Cold War with the “Star Wars” mythical weapons, the Libs were pissed. How dare a Republican win a war by lying. Even when the Berlin Wall came down , the left was angry. Had Reagan been a Dem, the libs would have been singing him praises. The Far Left had mixed feelings about Clinton and Bosnia , but found the civilian massacres upsetting. Yet, the far left ignored and showed no concern over the massacres in Vietnam after the USA pulled out.
Don’t trust the left to handle a conflict. Right now, most libs forgot they supported the War in Afghanistan in 2008. Now they use it as an anti-GOP Bush rallying call. Libs want to ignore 911. They don’t want any justifications for going to war. They only want to protest and blame our country for the 911 attacks.
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marino says...
Hopefully when Fonda died they burried her traitor ass in some N. Korean sewer.
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avbornbred says...
Hell, let the Occupy groups keep Fonda’s body. They could bring it to all their events. After a fee weeks of decomposing, Fonda would still smell better than the Occupy camps do!
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Cagy Wolf says...
avbornbred that made me lmao rofl about Jane Fonda, I think the rotten whore is still alive. She caused americans to die because of her mindless flapping of her face lift lips. I can have some respect for actors like Cloony and Sheen at least they weren’t afraid of being arrested or tear gassed. All Fonda did was pose with the enemy and run her pie hole non stop with bovine excrement.
But yeah never let the democrats run a war they are more expensive in lives and money. The only reason we won WW2 is that congress declared war and the generals for the most part had a free hand in winning it.
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marino says...
The lovely Jane Fonda.
This is for all the kids born in the 70’s and after who do not remember, and didn’t have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the ‘100 Women of the Century.’
BARBARA WALTERS WRITES:
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot’s name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival Schoolwas a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ’ Hanoi Hilton.’
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ’s, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American ‘Peace Activist’ the ‘lenient and humane treatment’ he’d received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the campCommandant ’s feet, which sent that officer berserk.
In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant’s frenzied application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E’s). He spent 6 years in the ’ Hanoi Hilton’…the first three of which his family only knew he was ‘missing in action’. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a ‘peace delegation’ visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man’s hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: ’Aren’t you sorry you bombed babies?’ and ‘Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?’ Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper…
Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage inCambodia ; and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi . My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot ,South Vietnam whom I buried in the jungle, near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)
We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals….’
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received… and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as ‘humane and lenient.’
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.
These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ Lest we forget….’ 100 Years of Great Women’ should never include a traitor whose hands are covere d with the blood of so many patriots.
There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane’s participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.
RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343
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avbornbred says...
Jane Fonda and Julian Assange. Both enemies of the USA. CYBERDUDE WOULD BANG THEM BOTH!
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Cagy Wolf says...
Marino and avbornbred not only would cyberidiot perform perverted acts on both Fonda and Assange but the three of them would enjoy each others sickening company and association. I lost friends and family in Viet Nam,every traitor as far as I am concerned the government in their cases can just do away with a trial. They could find a short piece of rope and a tall tree, hang all three of the traitors from it.
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Cagy Wolf says...
And there are many others like Boxer, Feinstein,Watters, and you have the male version like good ole Tony Villagoisa the radical of his high school and college activists days promoting the hispanic racism towards all not of latino birth. It took over 60 years to ruin this nation and succeeding presidents from FDR helped me it happen. It didn’t matter which party they all had a hand out to big business and special interests, just so they could get voted in.Its why the campaign laws need to change and all funds put into a general account for all candidates to draw on equally.
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