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Friday, May 25 2012 - 06:03 PM
A Change Of Pace For The Weekend
The Writers Guild of America has sent ballots to all its members to nominate the best-written television shows of all time. Although they are looking for the 101 best, individual members can only list our “Top 20”.
I’ve already put my list together and it’s a lot more than twenty and I’ve undoubtedly neglected some that should be considered. (I have many more than twenty just in the comedy category.)
When considering more than sixty years of television, the task of paring it down to twenty is formidable. I’ve decided to stay with only American TV, eliminating all that great BBC stuff. (Too bad, “I, Claudius” and “Monty Python’s Flying Circus” just to name a couple.)
Anyway, before I edit my list to a final twenty, it would be interesting to get some additional input. Please list your nominees for best written TV shows of all time, comedy, drama, whatever…
Ray Cunneff says...
The task seems simple until you begin. I could come up with twenty for each decade. Some, like “East Side/West Side” with George C. Scott and Cicily Tyson no one remembers. So is there any point listing it? What about “Your Show of Shows” with Sid Caesar and Imogene Coca? “Hill Street Blues”? “LA Law”? “Cheers”? The more you think about it, the more difficult it becomes.
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Ray Cunneff says...
My inclination at this point is to list ten comedies and ten dramas.
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Martel says...
Sopranos
Deadwood
Homeland
All In The Family
Seinfield
Honymooners
Nypd Blue
Lonesome Dove
Carnival
The Bunker (mini series)
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Martel says...
forgot my favorite show
Northern Exposure
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AV Town Crier says...
Seinfield
Honymooners
Get Smart
Married with Children
Arrested Development
Bilko
Man From UNCLE
Jack Benny
Malcolm in the Middle
Columbo
Soupy Sales Show
Rowan & Martin’s Laugh-In
I Spy
Night Stalker
Maverick
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avbornbred says...
My top 20 continued:
11. The Tonight Show with Carson
12. Bonanza
13. Get Smart
14. Law and Order
15. Adam 12
16. Spartacus: STARZ series. Explicit
17. The Waltons
18. Nat Geo’s Explorer series
19. Monday Night Football
20. Bugs Bunny & all Looney Toons toons including Fractured Ferrytales
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avbornbred says...
The Waltons was a great show. No action, no sex, no cussing. It has all the makings for a flop but the show was so good, it made is we were all alive back in a time when life was simple.
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Martel says...
The Wire
Twin Peaks
Oz
Rome
OK IM DONE THIS IS HARD
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
All in the Family
Dukes of Hazzard
The Six Million Dollar Man
Threes Company
Twilight Zone
Bonanza
Knight Rider
The Fall Guy
The A Team
Cosby Show
Star Trek
Battlestar Galactica
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Almost forgot…
Happy Days
The Munsters
Leave it to Beaver
WKRP in Cincinatti
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Ray Cunneff says...
I wasn’t sure whether to list “The Waltons” since I wrote for the show. I was nominated by the Guild for outstanding script of the year (1979) for an episode I wrote called “The Captive” (the only episode I did under my own name). Seth Freeman won for an episode of “Lou Grant”.
But I was involved with the show from years before when we (CBS) first did it as a TV movie called “The Homecoming” (1971). Few at the network thought it had a chance as a series but it ran for nine seasons.
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marino says...
Man, tough call. Sometimes it was fun to watch some braindead type show after work when you’re tired.
But best written:
Mary Tyler Moore and many of those mentioned here are great pics. The Waltons was very well written (a rather Conservative show, Ray :-)), I thought The Outer Limits was well written, even though the low budget allowed for some hoky creatures, but the theme often followed political times, the audio (music) was fantastic and they only had one week to create each show.
So most of the shows I would mention have been spoken for. Of the newer shows I think “Dexter” (HBO) was well written in the beginning, say the first 2 or 3 years, but it seems the past couple years have gotten a little far-fetched.
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Martel says...
Fugitive
Game of Throans
Daily Show
Dexter
Bill Mahar
Sanford+ Son first 3 years
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Martel says...
Roots (what was I thinking)
Band of Brothers mini series
Finally Dallas——House of course
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leonardpflemkin says...
@ Ray – wow…I grew up watching the Waltons. Well done!!!
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roxi says...
Best Written TV Shows
All In The Family
Cheers
60 Minutes
Meet The Press
The Twilight Zone
MIssion Impossible
The Sopranos
Deadwood
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
The Wire
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Ray Cunneff says...
A lot of great suggestions. But even more difficult to whittle the list down to twenty. I’m inclined to eliminate news-panel shows like “Meet the Press” or “Real Time” (Bill Maher) since they are only partly scripted. “60 Minutes” and “The Daily Show” (Jon Stewart)? Not sure.
“The Defenders” (E.G. Marshall), “Perry Mason” (Raymond Burr), “Wagon Train” (Ward Bond), “Maverick” (James Garner)
“Dick Van Dyke Show”, “Taxi”, “Bob Newhart Show(s)”, Carol Burnett Show"
Playhouse 90, Kraft Theatre, Studio One.
Hard choices.
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roxi says...
I’d think the best-written shows are the one’s that most successfully translated the era at that time.
I forgot – Saturday Night Live! That’s definitely a show that over 30+ years has translated the mood of the country for generations.
Perry Mason was a take-off of Erle Stanley Gardner’s books – but then many shows & movies are scripted from pulp fiction.
Playhouse 90 sounds good. We didn’t have a tv for years while I was growing up, so I’m not familiar with a lot that people list here. Also, there’s large gaps where I didn’t watch tv at all – mainly because I was working all the time.
Hard to leave out the special HBO series’ like John Adams and Mildred Pierce, but I guess those wouldn’t qualify.
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avbornbred says...
Categories might be a way. Best Westerns, cop shows, sitcoms,…
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avbornbred says...
Mini Series could be a cstegory. Holocaust was a good one. Roots. Both should be shown in the schools.
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roxi says...
Yes, there’s been some excellent mini series out there that should be shown in the schools. I’m glad ’Bully’s’ was re-classified/edited, so that kids can see that they’re not the only ones, and also learn how to deal with it.
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Martel says...
Ah the Defenders forgot that one, as well as Playhouse 90 we are all showing our ages. Ray said this would be difficult he is right,I kept waking up last night thinking of T.V shows.
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Grumpy says...
My favorite TV thing is the DVR. Nothing beats fast-forwarding through commercials. OK, I’m not a good consumer, blowing off the guys who pay the bills. Whatever.
BTW, am I the only one who hates series shows that string you along for weeks and then get canceled & vanish without any conclusion? I think they should have to post a completion bond so there will be some kind of wrap-up ending.
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Ray Cunneff says...
Grumpy,
I’m afraid that’s about to happen with “Unforgettable”, “A Gifted Man” and CSI “Miami”. A lot of shows get the axe after they’ve finished their shooting schedules.
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Martel says...
Grumpy tell us Deadwood and Luck fans about it.I will never watch another David Milch show again.
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thedjguy says...
This 60 yr. old semi retired DJ and Current Aerospace worker thought about this and I just loved the older stuff and well and newer I really liked
Dream of Jennie
Car 54 where are you
Munsters
Adams Family
Have gun will Travel
Bonanza
Leave it to Beaver
Brady Bunch
Red Skelton show
Dean Martin show
Sky King
The Whirlybirds
and I liked Debbie Does Dallas but thats another story.
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No Spin says...
1. MASH
2. ALL IN THE FAMILY
3. BONANZA
4. STAR TREK
5. I LOVE LUCY
6. NYPD BLUE
7. CHEERS
8. JOHNNY CARSON SHOW
9. FRIENDS
10. THE X FILES
11. E.R.
12. MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW
13. THE WEST WING
14. 24
15. THE WONDER YEARS
16. HILL STREET BLUES
17. THE BOB NEWHART SHOW
18. ALL MCBEAL
19. SEINFELD
20. NORTHERN EXPOSURE
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Martel says...
Nospin I am glad you added Wonder Years one of the best and always a lesson learned.I forgot that show and the best Mom ever on T.V Norma
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Martel says...
thdiguy,Debbie does Dallas what! Debbie does Dallas,Funny
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Ray Cunneff says...
Thanks to all for the (very good) suggestions. Now comes the tough part, the final twenty. I decided to eliminate anthologies like Playhouse 90, Studio One, Kraft Theatre etc. – but there’s no way I can eliminate “The Twilight Zone” which is also an anthology. (So I’m already being inconsistent.)
Only one comedy on my almost-final list is currently on the air (“The Big Bang Theory”) and two dramas (“Homeland” and “Person of Interest”).
I have eleven comedies on my list and one has to go, either “Get Smart” or “Taxi”. Same problem with dramas, “The Fugitive” or “Gunsmoke”?
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Ray Cunneff says...
There are a few issues to consider when finalizing such a list, the first being the difference between writing and performance. For example, I remember “Wanted Dead or Alive” as a fairly routine 1950’s western, but was elevated by the sheer star-power of Steve McQueen.
Then there’s the cleverness factor in the tricky plotting of shows like “Columbo”, “Murder She Wrote” and “Perry Mason”.
Finally, should extra consideration be given to long-running shows like “Gunsmoke”, which ran for twenty years?
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Ray Cunneff says...
Should popularity be a factor? It’s also amazing when you consider just how popular westerns were, especially in the 1950’s:
“Gunsmoke”
“Bonanza”
“Wagon Train”
“Maverick”
“Cheyenne”
“Rawhide”
“Have Gun, Will Travel”
“Wanted Dead or Alive”
“The Rifleman”
“The Wild Wild West”
and countless others…
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Ray Cunneff says...
A bit of TV trivia that helps demonstrate the cultural impact of westerns: Gene Roddenberry was making the network rounds, pitching a series concept called “Star Trek” and getting nowhere. Network execs had no idea what he was talking about until, at a meeting at NBC, he described it as “Wagon Train in space”.
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ritcsilv says...
Since becoming a truck driver not able to watch tv much unless but when I can I get to watch such shows like route 66, sea hunt, even been watching the old highway patrol most of these on MEONTV and IONTV this all because I have to use rabbit ears to watch anything
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marino says...
Popularity will probably be their (Writer Guild members) deciding factor.
How many shows did you love that you thought were poorly written?
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Martel says...
Ray as a matter of fact the Rifleman remake is in pre production right now.Western heritage was important to us but the kids of today dont know any of the major people of that era.I asked my grand daughters if ther knew who Hopalong or Roy Rogers or Wyatt Earp were sadly they said no.
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Ray Cunneff says...
I considered mentioning the cowboy heroes we loved as kids:
Roy Rogers
Gene Autrey
Hopalong Cassidy
The Lone Ranger
The Cisco Kid
Unfortunately, the shows weren’t particularly well-written.
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Martel says...
Ray I must admit I dont live in the past but I do find myself watching old western shows I just came across the Rebel with Nick Adams.Also my father in law was telling me when the Lone Ranger came to television in 1949 there were some good writers involved as well as directors so I watched a few if you can get past the Mask some of the shows were well written.
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Martel says...
Ray as far as well written what about the Lawmen what is your take on that? It was supposed to be the adult western.
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Ray Cunneff says...
I think you mean “Lawman” (1958 – 1962). It starred John Russell and Peter Brown. I remember it as a fairly solid western, especially for Russell’s performance as Marshal Dan Troop. It was impressive enough to land him an important role in the John Wayne/Howard Hawks feature film, “Rio Bravo” (1959).
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Ray Cunneff says...
One of the definitions of an intellectual is someone who can hear the William Tell Overture and not think of “The Lone Ranger”. :)
Trivia: What was the Lone Ranger’s real name?
We remember his horse was named Silver, as in “Hi-yo, Silver. Away!” But what was Tonto’s horse named?
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Martel says...
If you talk about tv trivia in the fiftys and sixtys I used to be good, now it is easy for people to cheat on the answers with the net.
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Ray Cunneff says...
Are you familiar with Emil von Reznicek’s overture to Donna Diana, a long-forgotten opera? Actually, you are. It was the very memorable theme to “Sergeant Preston of the Yukon” on both radio and television.
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Ray Cunneff says...
The Lone Ranger’s original horse (radio show)? Dusty.
Lone Ranger on radio? Primarily, Brace Beemer
Dale Evans’ horse? Buttermilk.
Sidekick Pat Brady’s jeep? Nellybelle
Hoppalong Cassidy’s horse? Topper
The Cisco Kid’s horse? Diablo
Pancho’s? Loco
Original voice of Superman on radio? Bud Collyer (“To Tell The Truth”).
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Ray Cunneff says...
Okay, here’s my final twenty, ten dramas and ten comedies. I haven’t sent it in yet so, if anyone feels strongly about an omission or poor choice, I’m sure you’ll let me know.
In no particular order (since that doesn’t matter):
The Twilight Zone
Star Trek
The Fugitive
The West Wing
The Waltons
Columbo
L.A. Law
E.R.
Person of Interest
Homeland
I Love Lucy
The Dick Van Dyke Show
Mary Tyler Moore
The Carol Burnett Show
M*A*S*H
All In The Family
Cheers
Taxi
The Bob Newhart Show(s)
The Big Bang Theory
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avbornbred says...
Thats a great list. Many good quality shows listed.
One show that will soon be a classis, “SOUTHLAND.”. Probably the best cop show evere!
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Ray Cunneff says...
avbb,
The final cut was painful. First of all, there were the shows that I worked on that didn’t make the cut: “One Day At A Time”, “Maude”, “The Blue Knight”, “Palmerstown”.
Then there were the forgotten shows: “East Side/West Side”, Hong Kong", “Mr. Peepers”, “The Untouchables”, “Peter Gunn”, “Sea Hunt”, “I Spy”, “The Man From U.N.C.L.E.”, “The Prisoner” (all largely lost because they were shot in b&w).
Ernie Kovacs, George & Gracie, Dobie Gillis, Ozzie & Harriet, Sgt. Bilko, Our Miss Brooks, The Beverly Hillbillies, Get Smart, Andy of Mayberry, Car 54, Where are You?, I Dream of Jeanne.
And the stupid but funny: My Mother, the Car, Mister Ed, Hogan’s Heroes, The Munsters, The Addams Family, The Flying Nun.
And we haven’t even considered the variety shows: Milton Berle, Jackie Gleason, Sid Caesar, Red Skelton, Bob Hope, Jack Benny, George Gobel, Ed Sullivan, Arthur Godfrey, Garry Moore, Steve Allen, Jack Paar, Johnny Carson.
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roxi says...
I’d think it would be painful, considering you’re voting on the best-written television shows of all time. This goes back to original tv – with Backus and the washing machines and Cramden telling Alice “to the moon”!
Just goes to show just how talented American writers are, and how important their craft and talents are to our society, as each one contributed to what America is, and why everyone wanted to move here.
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marino says...
They need to show more reruns of these old shows instead of all this new reality garbage.
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roxi says...
Right, they need to dump the reality shows, as they put 1,000’s of writers out of work – and people were so stupid they actually think they were un-scripted, when actually they were ‘written’ by hacks.
Hopefully, the focus of this poll will show that writers in the past created amazing tv to an incredible extent where these shows are still considered the best ever.
Time for the next generation to create THEIR best ever.
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Ray Cunneff says...
The ‘reality show’ began with the Writers Guild strike of 1988. They were much cheaper to produce than scripted shows and started a trend that is with us to this day.
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roxi says...
And, nobody watches them anymore – and there’s a trend towards scripted tv shows – yaaaaaay!
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Ray Cunneff says...
I think my list is finalized, then I turn on “The Good Wife” and I’m reminded just how well-written it is.
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ritcsilv says...
The best thing about all of the old shows and how good they were you don’t hear any of the words that they seem that they have to use today to make it seem funny
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Martel says...
Deadwood and the Sopranos are considered the Gold standard,You must not of watched those shows also Boardwalk Empire is missing from all our lists.Well it was fun anyway.
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Ray Cunneff says...
Martel,
You are correct. I didn’t watch “The Sopranos” or “Deadwood”. I didn’t feel I should put something on my list that I wasn’t familiar with. I’m sure they’ll make the final 101.
As for “Boardwalk Empire”, even though I spent summers and later went to high school in Atlantic City, I never really got into the show, partly because I didn’t think they really captured the look and feel of the actual city.
Our family had a lot of history with Atlantic City. My father and uncle (who I was named after) grew up there. My uncle Ray was a boardwalk cop and my grandfather was Chief of Detectives for the ACPD until caught up in a scandal created by the real Nucky Johnson.
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Martel says...
Ray one of the big features of the show was its realistic look of that era,well different strokes for different folks.Pleae publish the final list of the guild.
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Martel says...
Jim Ledford had a Heart Attack he is O.K. But prayers for those that pray. Jim Get well .
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Ray Cunneff says...
Good to hear Jim’s okay. Get well soon.
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Martel says...
Ray there is a book in your family history,Nucky was quite a character in real life.
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Martel says...
Ray when looking at your list of great old westerns I remembered one, Storys of The Century with Jim Davis, Matt the Railroad Detective. I think his side kick a great looking dirty blonde went by the name of Frankie .
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Martel says...
Also How could we have left out one of the funniest shows of all time, Amos and Andy and of course Kingfish
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Ray Cunneff says...
Amos & Andy was hilarious, but got a bum rap primarily because it had been created by two white guys, Freeman Gosden and Charles Correll, who had played it on the radio. CBS withdrew the show from syndication and overseas sale in 1966 after protests of negative stereotypes from civil rights groups.
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Ray Cunneff says...
One of the most unusual TV westerns was called “Action in the Afternoon”, the first (and probably only) live outdoor western that aired five afternoons a week and was shot in the wilds of surburban Philadelphia.
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Martel says...
Ray I know Sammy Davis bought the rights to keep it off t.v I still till this day dont know why.It was pure funny and yes one figure in the series was stereo typed but the others were as normal as apple pie so what was the big deal.vcbbbbbbbbbbbbbnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngfxdgdx
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roxi says...
Two great lines from the HBO series Mildred Pierce:
“I dropped out of school at age twelve – I don’t know how to spell regret”
and -
“A woman can get anywhere as long as she doesn’t fall in love”
Lenore Coffee, American screenwriter, playwright and novelist
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Martel says...
When was Action in the Afternoon on I never heard of it.By the way Ray this afternoon on the History Channel there is a very very well done mini series The HaTfields and McCoys with Costner and Pullman and Berenger.I read the reviews and they said Costner is a shu in for an Emmy.
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Martel says...
Roxi which one did you like the best Movie or the tv mini series .I loved the original movie better.
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roxi says...
Hard to say which one is better. The original was more sinister, but the HBO version was more like the original book. Either way, the evil daughter was scripted the same in both versions.
Kate Winslet got the much-deserved Emmy in 2012 – excellent series.
Yes, the Hatfields & McCoys should be interesting – I’ve heard conflicting reviews. Have it set up to record!
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Ray Cunneff says...
Now another change of pace. As part of its Memorial Day programming AMC is doing an online survey of the greatest war movies of all time. I’m putting together my list, what would be yours?
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Big Idiot says...
behind the green door.
debbie does dallas.
talk about old and good. they sure don’t make them like that any more….
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ritcsilv says...
War movies
Midway
In Harms Way
Enemies Below
The Longest Day
Kellys Hero
Ryans Express
Just to name a few
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avbornbred says...
The Longest Day
Platoon
Saving Private Ryan
Blackhawk Down
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Ray Cunneff says...
Martel,
They didn’t specify how many. Some come to mind immediately, some take some thought. Off the top of my head:
“A Bridge Too Far”
“The Longest Day”
“Paths of Glory”
“Apocalypse Now”
“Platoon”
“Sink the Bismark”
“Run Silent, Run Deep”
“Zulu”
“Glory”
“Pork Chop Hill”
“Blackhawk Down”
“Courage Under Fire”
“Saving Private Ryan”
Then there are movies set during war but not about the battlefield per se:
“Inglourious Basterds”
“The Great Escape”
“The Bridge on the River Kwai”
“The Victors”
“The MacKenzie Break”
“Empire of the Sun”
“The Americanization of Emily”
“36 Hours”
“M*A*S*H”
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Martel says...
We were Soldiers
Bataan
Chinas Little Devils
Red Badge of Courage
Midway
Tora Tora Tora?
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Ray Cunneff says...
Then, of course:
“From Here To Eternity”
“The Young Lions”
“Twelve O’Clock High”
“Lawrence of Arabia”
“Patton”
“Gallipoli”
“Das Boot”
“Full Metal Jacket”
“Master and Commander”
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roxi says...
“Braveheart” ? After all, there’s plenty of wars to pick from.
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Ray Cunneff says...
“Henry V” (The version directed by Kenneth Branagh) contains one of the greatest battle scenes ever filmed (and frequently imitated).
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avbornbred says...
A Bridge To Far was both good and bad. I did not like some of the casting. Robert Redford and Ryan O’neil were not the best picks for their rolls.
Gettysburg was a great movie as was Gods and Generals.
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Martel says...
If we are talking about a battle scene dont forget forrest gump.
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avbornbred says...
The battle scenes in Saving Private Ryan were probably the most intense of any war movie. Seeing the comments from WW2 Vets who landed at Normandie, confirmed the authenticity of those scenes.
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Martel says...
I saw the movie with my unkle who was there he walked out,Yes they were real but to long I think Spielberg over did it.Ask a COMBAT VET from vietnam about the short scene in Forrest Gump or We were Soldiers and they will tell you those movie combatscenes are as real as you can get.
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Cybertariat says...
For those inclined toward the written word, Dalton Trumbo’s Johnny Got His Gun is likely to provide the most graphic mental images of the realities of war. So much so that various political reactionaries throughout America have busied themselves with the banning of Johnny Got His Gun since it was published back in 1939.
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Ray Cunneff says...
A little tidy-up before we wrap up this thread:
re: The Lone Ranger. I asked what was his real name? Clayton Moore did indeed play the role in the TV series, but the character’s real name was John Reid.
re: “Action in the Afternoon”, the TV western that aired live from outside Philadelphia, ran on CBS from February 2, 1953 to January 29, 1954.
re: “Stories of the Century” or “Matt, the Railroad Detective”. No, I was not familiar with it, as they appear to have been two titles of the same show. It was also syndicated under the title “Fast Guns”.
In 1955, “Stories of the Century” became the first western to win an Emmy Award in the then category of “Western or Adventure Series”.
Jim Davis (who later was Jock Ewing on “Dallas”) played fictitious railroad detective Matt Clark and also did the narration for each episode. Mary Castle co-starred in 26 episodes as Clark’s attractive assistant, Frankie Adams. Castle was replaced by Kristine Miller who appeared in 14 episodes as Margaret Jones, or “Jonesy”.
Neither was I familiar with “China’s Little Devils” (1945), which starred Harry Carey, Paul Kelly and ‘Ducky’ Louie. Not much information on it.
re: “The Seven Samurai”. Probably goes without saying it was re-made as the classic western “The Magnificent Seven”.
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Martel says...
I read Johnny got his Gun many years ago. I think I still have it,Now I will go crazy looking thru boxs of crap to find it. I am nuts.
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Martel says...
Rox says after all there are many to choose from,It is funny that we hear a strong defense is needed to deter War If that were true why have we been in over 150 Wars or conflicts since becoming a Nation.
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Martel says...
Ray if my memory serves me correctly in Chinas Little Devils John Wayne had a Cameo even though he is not listed in the credits.If you have noe seen the movie find it and watch it it is a classic.As a kid I think I watched it at least 50 times.
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Ray Cunneff says...
I suspect the attempts at banning “Johnny Got His Gun” had more to do with writer Dalton Trumbo’s having been one of the Hollywood Ten, having refused to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) in 1947 during the committee’s investigation of Communist influences in the motion picture industry.
He was blacklisted until 1960 and had to write under pseudonyms, winning two Academy Awards under other names until Otto Preminger (“Exodus”) and Kirk Douglas (“Spartacus”) defied the blacklist and put Trumbo’s own name on the credits.
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roxi says...
Not to sabotage Ray’s thread, I will say that I think if men had the ability to conceive and give birth, there would’ve been less war over time. Since that is of course physically impossible, this is the only reason I can come up with as to why wars even happen.
Perhaps with this new phenomenon of more stay-at-home-Dads – there might be hope for this gender to actually learn how to compromise and ‘share’ — than relying on their immediate emotional reaction which is to kill first, ask questions later.
Ha. One could hope.
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Ray Cunneff says...
“Johnny Got His Gun” remains a tough read, a stream-of-consciousness recollection of a World War I veteran who awakens in a hospital and gradually realizes he has no arms, or legs, or face.
He learns to communicate only by tapping Morse Code and counting the days as he reflects on the futility and hypocrisy of war. It was required reading in the early 1960’s but seems to have faded into history in recent years.
A very similar secondary character appears in Joseph Heller’s “Catch 22”.
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roxi says...
Dark days for Creatives back then, for sure Ray.
We’ve been living in a vacuum of creative restraints for the past 12 years with the popularity of ‘reality shows’ – I guess everyone’s ‘reality’ has gotten so bad, no one wants to watch ’em anymore.
Current versions of “Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous” is still in full-force tho, on the politico-pundit broadcasts and Access Hollywood, etc.
Sells well in Peoria.
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Ray Cunneff says...
There was a scene in “Two and a Half Men” last night, an episode oddly enough titled “Palmdale, Ech”, in which teenagers Jake and Eldridge try to text two girls who are sitting just a few feet from them instead of simply walking over and talking to them.
We’re living now in a world of ten-second sound-bites and bumper-sticker slogans, of non-grammatical texting and instant gratification takes too long.
As a society, we are becoming increasingly shallow.
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avbornbred says...
A classic sci-fi flick STARSHIP TROOPERS!
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avbornbred says...
Other great sci-fi flicks were the PREDATOR movies. The first one and the last one were very good.
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Ray Cunneff says...
Well, if we’re moving into sci-fi films, the lists are likely to be long ones. One of the first I saw was “The Thing” (1951), although what were called Saturday serials like “Flash Gordon” and “Buck Rodgers” (made in the 1930’s with Buster Crabbe) I’d been seeing since about 1948.
There were a lot of schlocky sci-fi’s in between but the next important one was “War of the Worlds” in 1953. If we’re going to put a list together of the best sci-fi films, we’re in for a long (and wonderful) slog…
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Ray Cunneff says...
One of the first people to acknowledge when talking about science fiction films is George Pal. “Destination Moon”. “When Worlds Collide”, “War of the Worlds” and “The Time Machine” still rank among the best ever made.
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Ray Cunneff says...
When I was about twelve (1956), my father worked on an NBC television special about the future. It forecast a life of leisure with most household tasks handled by robots, flying cars and space travel. The show was called “1976”.
As with the Stanley Kubrick/Arthur C. Clarke “2001: A Space Odyssey”, we were overly optimistic about our future. Sadly. it was a future that might have been but wasn’t. We fought wars instead.
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Ray Cunneff says...
In the 1950’s, there were two basic sci-fi themes: gigantic mutations due to atomic radiation (“Them!”, “Godzilla”) or allegories of an insidious Communist takeover (“Invasion of the Body Snatchers”, “Invaders From Mars”).
Science Fiction, as we’ve said here before serves an important social function, usually as cautionary tales of what we might become if we’re not careful. In too many cases, we haven’t listened.
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Martel says...
Ray in War of The Worlds to create the sparks effect coming from the Martians machines they used welding torchs.It is my favorite si fi movie of that era along with Earth vrs Flying Saucers.The Beast from 20000 Fathoms another due to Radiation.
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avbornbred says...
Robinson Caruso on Mars. An OK movie, but I always think of it in this genre.
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AV Town Crier says...
I loved all those old 1950’s sci-fi’s because of the allegories and the cold war and ‘tail-gunner’ Joe McCarthy. The good ole days.
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avbornbred says...
You could have 20 categories with 20 movies or TV shows listed. There is great stuff out there.
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Ray Cunneff says...
We’ve talked a lot about the important societal role played by science fiction. But how many sci-fi films have a lasting social significance and how many are just eye-candy?
What are your thoughts?
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Ray Cunneff says...
On a purely personal level, the best was Stanley Kubrick’s (1968) “2001: A Space Odyssey”. But there are so many others to consider…
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Ray Cunneff says...
However, there are many to recognize: “The Thing”, "The Time Machine, “War of the Worlds”, “Blade Runner”, “A Clockwork Orange”, “Planet of the Apes”, “Alien(s)”, “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn”, “Star Wars”, “Them!”.
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avbornbred says...
1. Star Trek. The original series
2. MASH
3. Leave it to Beaver
4. The Twilight Zone
5. I Love Lucy. The longest running most viewed
6. The Untouchables
7. 60 Minutes
8. The O’reilly Factor
9. Cheers
10. The Simpsons
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